WWE Summerslam 2008 Thread *SPOILERS*

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

RE: WWE Summerslam 2008

Heygizmo66 · B List Star

RE: WWE Summerslam 2008 Thread *SPOILERS*

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Yeah that was actually quite cool. Be interesting to see Y2J and Punk work together. Anyone else feel DAVE is becoming more and more of a white elephant?

Symphony Of Destruction · Metal Mod

I think it looks cool. I believe a Jericho Punk main event could be awesome.

Heygizmo66 · B List Star

Possibily a spoiler for Summerslam given that they are going with a movie theme. Hardy v HHH (maybe also v Edge)

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

Maybe a triple threat? Whatever happens I expect it to end with the return of the Undertaker for the billionth time.

Man In Black · Anime Mod

I doubt that is a spoiler. These things are created months in advance so that pic is just a piece of kayfabe to sell a kayfabe article.

I doubt if Jeff will be anywhere near the title in the immediate future after just returning from a second drug suspension.

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Yeah I cant see it myself either. Jeff needs to prove himself afresh. I'm still hoping for Punk/Y2J.

bobbaf3nn · On The Casting Couch

SummerSlam Poster released

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

Another crap poster. Im sure this isnt the final one though. Oh and I'll merge this into the Summer slam thread.

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

RE: WWE Summerslam 2008 Thread *SPOILERS*

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Why the wrong Diva? Who should be on there then?

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

D'yknow what after I typed that I realised I didn't know who I actually WOULD put on there... I know she's the latest top Diva, I suppose I would have to go for Michelle McCool. I just find Maria bland.

Man In Black · Anime Mod

And Michelle McCool isn't bland? Skinny generic blonde with implants and zero personality - check!

Anyway, it's not meant to be a serious poster, just your typical teaser, like the Kelly Kelly one for WM 24 with her on the beach. you know, sex sells and all that...

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

I know that as I stated I said it with no solution. The problem the WWE currently have is since Trish, Torrie and Miss Hancock moved on they don't really have any decent replacements that can reach there particular level. Even Lita fell just short. They really need to find someone with that X Factor that the other 3 all had in spades...

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Miss Hancock? Keep up DM...

Totoro101 · Movie Executive Producer

I dont even remember miss hancock..

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

Miss Hancock was the artist known as in the WWE as Stacy Kiebler or Nitro Girl Skye, if more info is needed try HERE

The only reason I used the Hancock thing was a) beacuse that was her best character and b) I could remember her real name...

Mollison · 500 Club Member

The whole Lita heel turn thing sucked. Her high flying style made her very watchable and led to some good matches, making her much better suited to being a face. I know it was alot to do with real life as well but I never bought her with the whole sexed up evil bitch thing (sexy though it was!). She was much better in the whole indie/rocker stage with team extreme and at that time I would have rated her above Trish, Torrie and "Miss Hancock".

Man In Black · Anime Mod

I disagree. The heel turn saved Lita from being the same bland character she always was.

Her mic skills improved as did her on-screen presence. Her ring work suffered (but was never that great anyway) but a broken neck and knee injuries will do that to you.

Mollison · 500 Club Member

How can you say she was bland next to Trish, Torrie, Stacey yada yada yada?! At least she could actually put on a watchable match! Trish improved but the others were never that good.

Man In Black · Anime Mod

I never compared Lita those other women and I clearly said her character was fairly bland which it was. She may have had a look that separated her from the cookie-cutter blondes but she was effectively a cookie-cutter babyface and her character needed a bit of revitalising.

Her heel turn actually gave her a personality which she was lacking before and it helped improve her mic skills and general on screen presence. This is often the case with babyfaces who are missing that intangible spark which only seems to surface once they turn heel - see The Rock, Cena, WCW era-Jericho, etc for good examples of this.

I still don't think she was *that* great in the ring outside of the Hurancanrana and Moonsault but in her pre-injury run she was different from the other Divas and thus more exciting to watch.
However, she did get sloppier as the years wore on post injury so she made the right decision to retire.

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Ok, put like that I agree MiB. She needed a kick up the butt, however she also lacked any really talented Divas to work with.

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Molly Holly, Trish Stratus, Gail Kim, Jacqueline, Ivory, Victoria, Jazz, Mickie James - yeah real sucky opponents...

Heygizmo66 · B List Star

are we still talking about Summerslam??

Man In Black · Anime Mod

This is the Internet. Topics drift off into other territories all the time.

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Man In Black wrote:

Molly Holly, Trish Stratus, Gail Kim, Jacqueline, Ivory, Victoria, Jazz, Mickie James - yeah real sucky opponents...

BUT... whom from that group ever really got a push or a long enough stretch to really get a rivalry with her of any note...? Oh yeah, we're back to the original handfull...

Man In Black · Anime Mod

The thing about Lita was that she was more of a special attraction wrestler due to her popularity so her feuds were largely born out of her association with The Hardyz rather than her as an individual. This lessened her interaction within the Women's Division and also meant she didn't really need the title which allowed the other women to develop their own rivalries and get them over.

She also spent a lot of time on the injured list and ended up being usurped by her peers in the woman's division both athletically and by Trish as the No 1 babyface. But again, she was still over enough to be used outside of the division as demonstrated by her role in the Kane-Matt Hardy storyline.

In many ways Lita was something of an anomaly in that she was able to transcend the division she was meant to be part of.

Creepfnshow · On The Casting Couch

i tend to agree that Lita was a special attraction of sorts and like Chyna who was also a special attraction somehow lost her way when booked against women workers.
For the record, Lita was not actually a very good wrestler technically though interesting acrobatically.
It is interesting to note the addition of the divas championhip on smackdown and how this develops. Will this be a belt for the bra and panties brigade or a belt for women wrestlers. With McCool and Neidhart going for it it could well go either way but if they do decided to make it about the sexy rather than the worker then i wonder which title will get precedence on pay per views?
Will we see the talented but not that great to look at Mickie James against Beth Phoenix or will we see Michelle McCool vs Maria Kinellis?
I guess we will have to wait until summerslam to find out
See how i tied it back together there to the original thread?
Genius stuff

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Nice work, that discussion could have trailed on forever! For the record my vote is with James/Phoenix as opposed to the "Dolly Bird Brigade".

Man In Black · Anime Mod

"talented but not that great to look at Mickie James "

Tell me you did not just say that about the hottest Diva in the WWE?

About the SD Divas Title - It would appear that WWE is beginning to once again focus on the wrestling aspect of the division rather than T&A. It seems to be a cyclical thing with them where every few years they decide to take the women seriously and let them wrestle rather than put them out there in bra & panties matches or other tacky displays of outdated exploitative time wasting.

I think they have good to capable workers on both brands to make this work although I can't see there being another breakout star like Trish Stratus just yet.

And if either the Women's or Diva's titles are defended at Summerslam it will be the first time a Women's title match has appeared on that PPV since 1999!

Creepfnshow · On The Casting Couch

Mickie? Really?

Hmmm, the only divas i ever went for were Sunny and Trish i'm afraid though i'll confess a stirring for Molly Holly now and again.

I hope they do emphasise the wrestling again as the girls can really work when given the right agent to work with.

Damn Finlay for getting himself promoted to the main roster

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Molly, Trish and Sunny were favourites of mine too, but I think you may be the first person I've come across who doesn't reckon much on Mickie.

Of the current crop she's the hottest in my book and tied for best worker with Victoria until Beth and Natalya hit their stride.

Creepfnshow · On The Casting Couch

i think Melina is the best worker at the moment. I have to say i have never seen such a rapid improvement for a worker over such a short period of time. I think her working attitude and commitment are really first rate. Maybe that's unfair on Mickie who was good to start with but i love seeing progression from workers and i really think Melina best emphasises that quality though Trish Stratus is the best WWE manufactured female worker i think i have ever seen

Totoro101 · Movie Executive Producer

Not a fan of mickie myself,an ok worker but nothing to special.Nattie Neidhart for me is the best female worker in the company,having seen some of her joshi matches in japan,she has fantastic ability.Shes my faverate in the company right now, Melina is good to,i think she and Victoria are better then Mickie.

-- Edited by Totoro101 at 10:35, 2008-07-16

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Matches coming out of the ECW/SD tapings:

World Title Match - HHH (c) vs Great Khali
HITC - Undertaker vs Edge
ECW Title match - Mark Henry (c) vs Matt Hardy

Totoro101 · Movie Executive Producer

henry vs hardy? HHH vs Khali? ANOTHER edge vs Taker match? not to promising...

Creepfnshow · On The Casting Couch

ah yes, Khali hasn't jobbed to the game yet has he? I knew there was someone left who hadn't beaten him!
Man, don't you think Undertaker regrets putting him over so hugely a couple of years back seeing as how everyone else has been allowed to beat the piss out of him?
Viva la mattitude!!!! Here's hoping he gets the job done against fat albert

HITC should be good and hopefully will headline. Cena vs batista and Punk vs Kane look likely bets for RAW

Man In Black · Anime Mod

I don't think they will rush Cena vs DAVE - it's too much of a big money match. That will keep for WM 25. Cena will no doubt face JBL again or maybe DAVE will. Or it will be a three way with Punk vs Dave vs Kane.

I think Taker got his fair share of revenge against Khali when he beat him up on SD a few months back prior to Kahli's hiatus back to India.

The only good thing to come out of Hardy vs Henry is that Matt is finally getting pushed to the top; shame it's on the least important brand of the company...

Mollison · 500 Club Member

But its better than no push. What did I miss? When was Taker reinstated? Or is he just starting to show "signs" again...?

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Vickie announces it on SD this week.

1chiban · On The Casting Couch

In a fit of revenge, as I suspected

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Well duh!

Darth Mattitude · The Dark Admin

The official Summerslam website has launched and can be found HERE. It's very UFC looking isn't it? Looks like Joey Styles has decided to bring the WWE into the 21st web century then.

So with:

HHH Vs. Great Khali (WWE Title Match)
Edge Vs. The Undertaker (Hell In A Cell)
John Cena Vs. Batista (Grudge Match)
Mark Henry Vs. Matt Hardy (ECW Title)

So far it actually looks like a card that would peak my intrest. Sure HHH Vs. Khali is likely to be a bit duff, but HHH can pretty much carry anyone to a semi decent effort and as long as it stays a brawl, you never know. The Hell in a Cell should be match of the night contender, Hopefully Hardy will get the win and Im no fan of Batista or Cena, but this is a Wrestlemania Main Event match, so could be intresting.

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Cena vs DAVE shouldn't happen until WM 25. It's the only big money match they currently have that has never been done before so it makes sense to hold it at their biggest show of the year. Giving it away with just two weeks left to build towards it is madness.

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Yeah, I'm very suprised they didn't hold on to this one. But saves wasting a WM25 slot on the pair of them...

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Added to the PPV:

World Title Match - CM Punk (c) vs JBL

IC & Women's Title Winner Takes All Match - Kofi Kingston (c) & Mickie James (c) vs Santino Marella & Beth Phoenix

Shawn Michaels makes his announcement about his future

-- Edited by Man In Black at 09:24, 2008-08-05

Mollison · 500 Club Member

Hope Punk holds. And the Shawn Michaels bit COULD be interesting. As for the filling in that little sandwich... erm... what was it again?!

Man In Black · Anime Mod

Jeff Hardy vs MVP added to Summerslam