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Well we better start a thread on this.   I don't want to get too politcal about it but what are peoples thoughts on this?  After the attempted interference yesterday in London and todays problems in France (The torch was extinguished twice which made them move the torch on a bus) will we see people staying away and boycotting ?  Comments and of course when we get to the event all the medal updates and comments on performances etc. in here.

What's everyone's favorite events too? 


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sports and polotics should never mix. I am looking forward to the games and i dont mean the athletics. As a fencer and coach i hope the BBC will show some different sports rather than the populist ones.

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Agreed.I can understand how the protestors feel to be truthful but what they are doing is a disgrace.The olympics should be a world wide supported event and China will no doubt be an amazing host for it, sadly many people just want to take it as a way to show their stupid political views and ruining it for many people.Im not quite sure whats happening with the tibetan situation but it seems quite the mess right now.

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I agree with the protestors about Tibet, it is a bad situation in Tibet and the olympics being hosted in China is a good way to get their message into the headlines. As they won't get a chance to do this in china then the torch route is a good alternative.

But it should be peaceful demostrations along the route of the torch to highlight to the world the situation in Tibet rather than what has been happening with the violence and trying to extinguish the flames as this will just make people ignore the cause and condem their actions.

I don't agree with the statement sport and polotics shouldn't mix, why not? If sport can bring together countries and inspire peace and harmony I think bringing sport and polotics together is a good thing.

As for the olympics I like the gymnastics, swimming and hockey.

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less than a month until the olympics now.

Whats folks thought on Chambers being in the squad or not??  I reckon he should be allowed to compete.  He is our best sprinter.  So what if he took some drugs in the past, he's done his punishment so why can't they just get on with it.

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Looking forward to them much as i love sport.I was going to go to see china and the olympics but decided to go to shanghai next year since its going to be jampacked with people during the games.I think Dwayne should be allowed to compete,hes made a mistake and been punished for it,everyone deserves a second chance,at his best, he is a top class sprinter.We have quite a lot of talent in athletics so we should get some medals there.

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Regarding Chambers, he's served a 2 year ban. Let him run. If footballers can still play international football within a year of a failed dope test, why should athletes be treated worse? I think the ban should be blanket lifetime ban but its not and you cant treat one sport worse than another.

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chambers should not run, here is the scene 100 metres final chambers lines up BANG the runners run......>>>>>>>> chambers wins.


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what do you think, do you think WOW what a fantastic race and the UK have a gold medal

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What drugs has he taken to get the gold????

he knew if he cheated and got caught he would be banned.....

The Ban Should STAY!!!!!!!!

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everyone deserves a second chance braxious,he made a foolish mistake,but i doubt hell make that mistake again.I am a fan of Dwayne as i enjoy atheltics a lot and i think he deserves a chance at bejing for us.Plus there are no doubt several other athletes who took drugs to and who no doubt have been given a second chance in their careers.

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speaking as a coach, teacher of fencing i tell my students dont touch drugs, dwane cheated he knew he was not good enough with out them.

i know there have been others whom have taken drugs but i feel that if you need to cheat then get out ofthe sport as your not god enough.

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fair enough ^_^.I guess i always believe in a second chance for everything,in sports and in normal life to.He made a mistake, was punished and he seems to have learnt his lesson but with sport, i think its hard to forgive someone who does take performance enhancing drugs to raise their game.I guess we will have to wait and see what will happen.

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yes i agree - however even if the court does say the ban is worng the BOC dont have to choose him to run.

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I think he should be allowed to compete, afterall Christine Ohuruogu is allowed to compete and she was done for drug offences.  Ok it was only for missing the drug tests but there is nothing to say she didn't take drugs.  Plus that carried a lifetime olympic ban, yet no ex-athletes come out and say she shouldn't be allowed to compete.

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Christine Ohuruogu missed tests i agree but she did not take any drugs, simple fact dwane knoew if caught hes dog food - he got caught he has to live with the consequences.

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I think your being a little harsh braxious ^-^,though of course its understandable but again,if hes man enough to own up to his mistakes, and works hard to clear his name in the proper way,i think he should get one last chance.However if he screws up again then he does deserve a life time ban.Maybe he shouldnt be allowed to compete for us at bejing but i think he should still be allowed to compete in athletics after the games.

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we are gunna have agree to disagree on this totoro but lets see what happens.

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Chambers loses Olympic ban case

Chambers may have to consider his future in the sport
British sprinter Dwain Chambers will not be able to run at the Olympics after he lost his attempt to overturn his lifetime ban.

The 30-year-old took his case to secure an injunction against the British Olympic Association by-law to the High Court, but the ruling went against him.

Under BOA rules, the sprinter was banned from future Games after testing positive for the steroid THG in 2003.

Chambers had argued that the ban was an unfair restraint of trade.

But Mr Justice Mackay refused to grant an injunction to temporarily suspend the lifetime ban before a full hearing - which is now not expected to go ahead - in March next year.

In his summing up, Mr Mackay said Chambers' right to work was not a good enough reason to overturn the ban, while the last-minute timing had also worked against him.

The BOA will continue to send a powerful message that nobody found guilty of serious drug-cheating offences should have the honour of wearing GB vests at the Olympics

BOA chairman Lord Moynihan
"Many people both inside and outside sport would see this by-law as unlawful," said Mr Mackay.

"(But) In my judgment it would take a much better case than the claimant has presented to persuade me to overturn the status quo at this stage and compel his selection for the Games."

Chambers still has the right of appeal - although it would have to be heard before the end of play on Friday - but the option is looking increasingly unlikely after the judge's ruling left him with little room for manoeuvre.

British selectors have to name their final squad for next month's Games in Beijing by Sunday at the very latest.

Chambers had already gained the necessary qualifying time for the 100m and comfortably won the British trials in a time of 10.00 seconds on Saturday.

But when the British team was named on Monday, only Simeon Williamson - who finished second behind Chambers in the trials - was named for the individual 100m event, with two places left unfilled until the legal case had been decided.



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Craig Pickering and Tyrone Edgar have also secured times within the Olympic qualifying mark of 10.21, and UK Athletics (UKA) selectors will meet on Saturday to decide who to take to Beijing before seeking ratification from the BOA.

BOA chairman Lord Moynihan said the judge's decision had vindicated the long-standing by-law.

"It's a matter of regret that Dwain Chambers, an athlete of such undoubted talent, should by his own actions have put himself out of the running to shine on the Olympic stage in Beijing," said Moynihan

"The BOA will continue to send a powerful message that nobody found guilty of serious drug-cheating offences should have the honour of wearing GB vests at the Olympic Games.

"The court's decision allows us now to focus on, and support, those athletes who will be travelling to Beijing to represent Team GB in just 21 days' time. We must now focus on their interests."

Chambers, pursued by scores of journalists, TV cameramen and photographers, left court saying almost nothing to the media.

Meanwhile, UKA said it fully supported the decision.

After his positive test in 2003, Chambers admitted he had taken other banned substances to enhance his performance and also revealed to the BBC that he had started taking THG 18 months before he was eventually caught.

The revelation led to him being stripped of the 100m gold medal he won at the European Championship in 2002 and also cost him and his team-mates the gold they had won in the 4x100m relay.



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While serving a two-year ban from the sport, he attempted to forge a career in American football and earlier this year tried his hand at rugby league with Super League side Castleford.

But he did win silver for Britain in the 60m at the World Indoor Championships in March.

Michele Verroken, the former head of anti-doping and ethics at UK Sport, said other countries should follow Britain's lead by taking a strong stance against former drug cheats at the Olympics.

"I would urge other nations around the world to consider the same eligibility by-law because it's a very important way of protecting the integrity of the Olympics, " she told the BBC.

"There is far more cheating that is surreptitious and deceptive which is corrupting sport, so it's important we sent the clear message that those who compete without the use of drugs get the privilege to compete in the Olympics."




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Christine Origoholu wasn't done for Drugs offences she was done for missing random testing. I feel for Dwayne and I think that they could have used in him in a positive light, but unlike Christine, he didn't stand a chance of winning any medals so they decide to uphold it. To be fair though they should uphold it otherwise there's no real consequences if you take drugs. Now there is.

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Cant believe its been 4 years since the athens olympics,i remember waking up and enjoying the events every morning espicially badmington and our talented duo against the chinese being one of my fondest moments of that olympics.I doubt we will get to many golds this time around but you never know! Can see the USA,Russia,China and Australlia dominating a lot of events.

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All our investment since we pipped the frogs for 2012 has been pumped into ensuring that we have a Olympic squad that can do us proud in our backyard. The current stable have been put on, if not the back burner, then atleast a very much secondary one. A shame, but I think its worth it. We all know what happened when we hosted the World Cup...

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there is a possibility that when the world cup goes to south africa if there is a problem it will come to the england casue we have the facilities.

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I heard. So we've got so good at this losing thing that we're now managing to get the prize even when we dont win!

Before all the corrections rush in, I know we weren't in the running for 2010! But the points still valid!

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Judging by the events held at the weekend I'm not expecting anything special from team GB.

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the olympics are more than the athletics - we will win medals in yatching, shooting, diving, swmming, so be of good cheer and sit back and enjoy.

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More to the point. You must of not enjoyed any olympics of recent times if British success all that makes it for you!

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no i love the olymipcs, its just the coverage that irks me. they spend hours and hours showing swimming and athletics, and dribs and drabs of others - and no coverage of my specilist sport, (fencing).

i wish all the olypiicians success.

i just want a more diverse televison coverage.

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Sadly Fencing isnt really one of the more popular sports,as much as id like to see more it,along with some other events like badmington,Judo and such,the main focus at the games is usually the athletics and Swimming events.

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very true, im intrested in what the introduction sports are going to be.



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To be fair badminton does get some decent coverage due to the success of the British pair in recent times...

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I would like to see more of the fighting arts covered other than boxing, like Tae Kwon Do and Greco Roman Wrestling.

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Olympic official have denied agreeing to curbs on internet access for foreign journalists covering the Beijing Games.

Reporters found a number of politically sensitive websites blocked earlier this week, and some senior Olympic officials said they had been aware of it.

But International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge said that there had been "no deal to accept restrictions" on access.

He also praised China's organisation of the Games, which open next week.

Speaking at a news conference in Beijing, Mr Rogge hailed the "excellent organisation" of the Games, saying the Olympic village was the best he had ever seen.

However, he went on to say that the IOC required journalists "to have the fullest possible access to report on the Olympic Games".

"I am adamant in saying there has been no deal whatsoever to accept restrictions," he added.

When asked if the IOC had been naive on the internet issue, Mr Rogge said: "I would say we are idealists. Idealism is linked with some naivety."

China had promised that foreign media would be given unfettered access.

On Wednesday, IOC press commission chairman Kevan Gosper said he had been advised that some IOC officials "had negotiated with the Chinese that some sensitive sites would be blocked" at Olympic venues.

China enforces tough internet controls, and Chinese President Hu Jintao has appealed to the international media not to "politicise" the Beijing Games.

However, access restrictions appear to have been eased in recent days.

Mr Rogge said on Saturday that he was pleased that journalists could now visit the BBC Mandarin website, Wikipedia and a number of websites for human rights groups.

Some other sensitive sites are reported to remain unavailable.

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Other major concerns in the week before the Games begin have been about drug use and air quality.

On Saturday, the IOC stripped gold medals form the US 4x400m men's relay team won at the Sydney Games in 2000, after sprinter Antonio Pettigrew admitted in June that he used banned substances between 1997 and 2003.

The IOC was going to discuss whether to allow Greek athlete Katerina Thanou to compete at the Games, but it now seems a final decision has been delayed until next Thursday at the earliest.

The sprinter pulled out of the Athens Olympics in 2004 after failing to report for a drugs test.

She was banned for two years after missing her third test, but is now in Greece's athletic team for this year's Games and has threatened to sue Mr Rogge if she is barred from Beijing.

Mr Rogge said a recent increase in positive drugs tests ahead of the Games was the result of a deliberate IOC policy.

He said 17 athletes had tested positive in the lead up to the Games.

"This is the result of a deliberate strategy and policy. These are 17 cheats who will not falsify the competition," he said.

Air pollution remains another big worry, although the skies over Beijing on Saturday were clear.

The Chinese authorities have been working on improving the dirty air that hangs over Beijing, but athletes remain concerned.

Steve Roush, head of sports performance with the US team, said he was monitoring the situation and was optimistic.

"We do have fallback plans if all of a sudden it deteriorates to the point where the health and safety of our athletes might be in jeopardy," he said.

"But I don't think that if the air quality was at that level that the IOC would even allow for the competition to take place."

I thought it was common knowledge that China placed excessive bans on internet access? Still its a bit ridiculous. You would have though some of these news agencies would have some form of Satellite net access.

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China has made some progress in human rights etc in recent years, though it has a long way to go. The point is that protests, though well intentioned, might be counter productive, and might make China turn in on itself again. Our own history in China is brutal and often shameful, so we arent in a position to lecture China too much. I hope for a succesful games and a brighter future, for China]and its people. I dont like the Chinese regime but I so admire China, its culture and people.

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Well its here and about to begin in a few hours.Cant wait to see some top class sporting action.Should be a great olympics,just wish i could have been there myself this time.

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me to but we have 2012 to look forward to and we can be there.

come on all the brits who take part and bring back load of medals and glory.

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Im supporting britain,China Korea and Japan,and the smaller countries to! Sick of the US dominating a lot of events so lets hope we can see some great success stories of smaller nations and lesser known athletes!

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there will be some great individul performances from what can be called the lesser countires.

they will show that the spirit of the games lives.

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Indeed braxious :).Not your overpaid arrogant footballers on show here,just hard working athletes looking to become the best in the world.The opening ceremony has been fantastic and bejing is one beautiful place.Im looking forward mostly to the Badmington and Atheltics events most of all.

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agreed not sure what im looking forward to i think the diving might be intresting with that 14 yrd old brit lad.

athletics well ill pop in and out

hope they show some minority sports.

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Im just watching a replay of the opening stunning yang ximou (the director of Hero) whatever his name is Im sure MiB will be correcting me as soon as he reads this, did an amazing job.

Incredible. Although a bit long.....

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A fantastic opening ceremony indeed :).So far iv watched the Judo,Gymnastics and Weight Lifting events,China doing well at the moment.I find myself enjoying the lesser shown sports rather then the main coverage of athletics and swimming,espicially badmington which is always hugely competitive and the Judo/olympic wrestling events.Unfortunatly my family hate sport so i have to keep dipping in and out of watching :(.

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So will Micheal Phelps win the 8 Golds this time? He only needs 4 to become the greatest Olympian of all time.

I see the first of our medal hopes the Judo guy bombed out. Here we go over hyping our chances.

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Britain won gold in the women's cycling.

Been watching the Judo. Japan won gold in the Mens 66kg when Masato Uchishiba pwned Benjamin Darbelet of France by making him tap in around 73 seconds.

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We seem to do quite well in the cycling each time.I saw the Judo as well and pretty much as Mib said Masato owened the French Guy.Im currently watching the badmington and the gymnastics (some of the girls are awfully cute ^-^).

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Indeed braxious :).Not your overpaid arrogant footballers on show here,just hard working athletes looking to become the best in the world.The opening ceremony has been fantastic and bejing is one beautiful place.Im looking forward mostly to the Badmington and Atheltics events most of all.



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Im currently watching the badmington and the gymnastics (some of the girls are awfully cute ^-^).


Yes I have noticed that too ^-^

We are doing well in the swimming and looks like sailing is starting to get better too.

I did watch the ladies Hockey, we played Germany and lost 5-1. Was raining lots and the girls got soaked through.

 



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2 gold and both to the ladies

COME ON MEN GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER

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be fair braxious its only been a few days ^-^.Im sure we will pick some up soon.

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And a Bronze as well Braxious. We have plenty of contenders in the Sailing and Canoeing in the men stakes currently,plus a lot of the mens events haven't started yet. e.g. shooting.

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ok i will yeild.

still so far a good olympics

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Well, TOm Thumb our 14 yo great hope in the synchronized diving, just came 8th.....

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